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Date: Tue, 12 Apr 94 04:30:12 PDT
From: Ham-Ant Mailing List and Newsgroup <ham-ant@ucsd.edu>
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Subject: Ham-Ant Digest V94 #100
To: Ham-Ant
Ham-Ant Digest Tue, 12 Apr 94 Volume 94 : Issue 100
Today's Topics:
---TUNER ADVICE NEEDED---
Antenna materials...
Best Mobile Antenna for Dual band (2m/70cm) rigs??
Comparison of mobile HF: Hustler/Bugcatcher/Others?? (2 msgs)
eggbeater plans? help..
Ladder Line (2 msgs)
Need apartment-dweller "stealth" HF ant
Temporary HF Mobile ant? (3 msgs)
Updated index to NEC ftp archives
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Date: 11 Apr 94 04:42:27 EST
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wmichgw!x90galbrait1@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: ---TUNER ADVICE NEEDED---
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
Hello,
I am planning to erect a full wave 80m delta loop and use balanced
transmission line for the first time (hurrah-I know).
Also, this will require another first-a transmatch.
What type of 2kW transmatch is the best in your opinion (make, model, etc...)
and why?
What sort of balun should be used if there is no internal one?
Is there any non-roller inductor transmatches available besides the nye-viking
$700 or Ameritron $400 ones??? (I can only afford around $200)
Do you have one for sale???
Thanks for your help!
Chris, KA8WFC
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Date: 11 Apr 1994 16:17:44 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel!olivea!koriel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!s07.es.llnl.@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: Antenna materials...
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
A friend of mine made a 20 meter J-pole antenna out of electrical conduit for field day. Yes
I said 20 meter J-pole. It was hung from a very tall tree and connected to a QRP rig. It
worked fine, although they used a delta loop for most of their contacts.
Steven Hunter
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 11:15:52 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!att-out!cbfsb!cbnewsf.cb.att.com!cropley@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Best Mobile Antenna for Dual band (2m/70cm) rigs??
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
well I took the plunge and bought a Yaesu FT530 at a feast yesterday
Any body out there recommend a good dual band antenna (preferably
Mag mount)??
Thanks,
Andy C
acropley@attmail.att.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 18:45:02 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!netcom.com!dgf@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Comparison of mobile HF: Hustler/Bugcatcher/Others??
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
Has anyone done a comparison of HF antenna efficiency? I'm using a hustler
on 40M & 20M, and wonder if the efficiency improvement (presumably...) would
justify changing. Would appreciate info/pointers to article(s). 73 Dave WB0GAZ
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Date: 12 Apr 94 05:52:03 GMT
From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: Comparison of mobile HF: Hustler/Bugcatcher/Others??
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
David Feldman <dgf@netcom.com> writes:
>Has anyone done a comparison of HF antenna efficiency? I'm using a hustler
>on 40M & 20M, and wonder if the efficiency improvement (presumably...) would
>justify changing. Would appreciate info/pointers to article(s). 73 Dave WB0GAZ
Hi Dave, read what Maxwell says about Hustler resonators in
"Reflections". The loading coil needs to be a large diameter with at
least a wire diameter spacing between turns for high Q. If money is
no object, you can hardly do better than a mobile antenna like the
Texas Bugcatcher.
Here's a statement sure to draw some flames. Since the radiation
resistance of a 40m mobile antenna is around three ohms, if you can
get your SWR up to 17/1, you will radiate most of your RF, unlike 40m
mobile installations with an SWR of 1/1. Assuming a functional 40m
mobile antenna (no shorts, no opens) the higher the SWR, the better.
Use an antenna tuner to make your transceiver happy.
A 40m loading coil with a Q=50 has a coil resistance of around 36
ohms. Add 10 ohms of ground loss and 3 ohms of radiation resistance
and you have a perfect 1/1 SWR. Unfortunately, only about 6% of your
RF energy actually gets radiated. Now put in a 40m loading coil with
a Q=300 and a resistance of 6 ohms. The SWR is 3/1 but you are
radiating 16% of your RF energy which is pretty good for 40m mobile.
This is my opinion only, but I am convinced that the smaller the
loading coil inductance, the better... as long as your antenna tuner
and feedline have neglible losses and can furnish a conjugate match
to the antenna system.
73, Cecil, kg7bk@indirect.com
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 94 12:37:29 -0500
From: news.bu.edu!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!usenet@purdue.edu
Subject: eggbeater plans? help..
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
I remember seeing an article, possible in tech topics..., in QST
with the basic design for an "eggbeater" antenna for 2m or 70cm.
The antenna was very similar to the MC^2 systems eggbeater but
i think that it was square. This is neither of the asat ants
in the sat experimenters hbook, and i do not think that it is
in the ARRL ant hbook.
Any help would be greatly appreciated as i am becomming(argh, sp.)
about ..... rather obsessive aboout homebrewing one.
thanks
Pete, N1QDQ
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Date: 11 Apr 94 14:38:45 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries!wangc@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Ladder Line
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
cdsorens@mtu.edu (Christopher D. Sorensen) writes:
>Where does one aquire 450ohm transmission quality ladderline? I have seen in
>included in those over priced dipole kits, but I haven't found it anywhere sold
>sepperatly. Is there a suitable substitute? Has anyone tried the stuff for
>roof mounted TV antennas? Will that type of ladder line work?
>I have heard many people talk about making their own ladder line. Can anyone
>offer some suggestions on how to make your own ladder line?
>Thanks
>Chris -=- N8PBI
Almost any Ham radio dealer has it. Buy it from Radio Works, 804-484-0140.
You can get 2.5 inch ceramic spacers from Fair Radio, 4 for $1.25. They also
have the Birnbach ceramic antenna center insulator (nice). 419-223-2169.
Chuck, KE9UW 73 ..
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Date: 11 Apr 1994 22:45:36 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ncar!noao!math.arizona.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!nelson.as.arizona.edu!hlester@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Ladder Line
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
In article <2o5ab6$71o@pace2.cts> cdsorens@mtu.edu (Christopher D. Sorensen) writes:
>Where does one aquire 450ohm transmission quality ladderline? I have seen in
>
The best antenna wire I've ever seen/used, including ladder line, is from
The Wireman. (I just looked for his ad in April QST and it's not there!!)
His ladder line is far superior to that sold by The Radio Works. He also
"sells" a catalog with a lot of good information about wire and transmission
line.
Howard KE7QJ
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Date: 10 Apr 94 08:31:30 GMT
From: bobsbox.rent.com!spatula!ahm@rutgers.rutgers.edu
Subject: Need apartment-dweller "stealth" HF ant
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
I'd like to put up a decent end-fed "stealth" antenna for use from
my apartment. (Someone mentioned using magnet-wire?!
I don't suppose that would hold up under 100 watts, would it?)
I'd appreciate any suggestions, with regard to an antenna of this sort
and creative ways to install it.
Thanks,
Andy N2FYE
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Date: 11 Apr 94 09:27:42 EST
From: usc!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu!miavx1!miavx3.mid.muohio.edu!@ihnp4.ucsd.edu
Subject: Temporary HF Mobile ant?
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
In article <2o7ml6$cck@pace2.cts>, cdsorens@mtu.edu (Christopher D. Sorensen) writes:
> Can anyone give some suggestions for a temporary mobile HF antenna. I will
> be borrowing a car from the company I work for to use on my trip to Dayton
> and would like to work HF on the way down. I have never worked HF mobile
> because I didn't have a suitable rig untill now. I have an FT890 with the
> automatic tuner.
>
> Can anyone reccomend a decent antenna for probably 40meters? or whatever
> band is best for HF mobile. The installation must be temporary and not do
> any damage to the car. (Ie: No big scratches)... I will probably be
> picking up a good HF mobile antenna at Dayton for my personal vehical
> but would sure like to get something on the air for the trip down.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
>
> 73, Chris -=- N8PBI
>
I like the "Ham Stick" ($20). It is single-band, low wind load, inexpensive,
and it works. Look-alikes are available ($14-$20) in many ham outlets.
There are magnet bases, however I've never used one. The mount I use is
home made, clamps under the rear bumper, and works reasonably well. Does
better on higher bands than 40 but does reasonably well on 40. Haven't
tried 75.
On 40M, try MIDCARS (7258KHz) on your trip to Dayton. With the antenna I
described, I worked Chicago, Indiana, Missouri, and Ohio-area stations
down I-75, thru Knoxville, and over into western NC.
I was happy ... at least for now.
See you at Dayton? Have a good <and safe> trip.
73 >< Carl
K8NHE
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Date: 11 Apr 94 15:48:25 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!galaxy.ucr.edu!library.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!aries!wangc@network.ucsd.edu
Subject: Temporary HF Mobile ant?
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
cdsorens@mtu.edu (Christopher D. Sorensen) writes:
>Can anyone give some suggestions for a temporary mobile HF antenna. I will
>be borrowing a car from the company I work for to use on my trip to Dayton
>and would like to work HF on the way down. I have never worked HF mobile
>because I didn't have a suitable rig untill now. I have an FT890 with the
>automatic tuner.
>Can anyone reccomend a decent antenna for probably 40meters? or whatever
>band is best for HF mobile. The installation must be temporary and not do
>any damage to the car. (Ie: No big scratches)... I will probably be
>picking up a good HF mobile antenna at Dayton for my personal vehical
>but would sure like to get something on the air for the trip down.
>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
You can mount a 40M "Hamstick" antenna on a heavy duty trunk lip mount or
a 3 or 4 heavy duty magnet mount. I have done it, and it works well. It
is advisable to "guy" the antenna against the wind with some fishing line
or weed eater line tied to each rear window somehow. Good luck. You'll like
mobile...makes the time go faster. Stay alert to the traffic, and keep your
eyes on the road all the time. 73 Chuck, KE9UW
>73, Chris -=- N8PBI
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Date: 11 Apr 94 17:11:58 GMT
From: agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!pacbell.com!amdahl!netcomsv!netcom.com!dgf@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
Subject: Temporary HF Mobile ant?
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
In article <1994Apr11.092742.1@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu> clmorgan@miavx3.mid.muohio.edu (Carl Morgan) writes:
>In article <2o7ml6$cck@pace2.cts>, cdsorens@mtu.edu (Christopher D. Sorensen) writes:
>> Can anyone give some suggestions for a temporary mobile HF antenna. I will
>> be borrowing a car from the company I work for to use on my trip to Dayton
>
>There are magnet bases, however I've never used one. The mount I use is
I use one of these; it works well electrically (on center of roof of station
wagon), but I suspect it will cause paint damage or scratches on removal
(I have an old car so I don't care).
>See you at Dayton? Have a good <and safe> trip.
^^^^^^^^^^
NAAAHHHHH - ** HAVE FUN !! **
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Date: 11 Apr 1994 21:36:07 GMT
From: koriel!male.EBay.Sun.COM!uranium!raymonda@ames.arpa
Subject: Updated index to NEC ftp archives
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
The following lists the current contents of the NEC archive site
at ftp.netcom.com
********************************************************************
(note: this was netcom.com previously, however anonymous ftp is now
allowed only via ftp.netcom.com or alternatively netcom2.netcom.com
through netcom12.netcom.com. The higher number machines are usually
less busy)
********************************************************************
* The files are located at ftp.netcom.com in /pub/rander/NEC and are
available via anonymous FTP.
* Note that eam_demo.zip is a new listing.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
NEC (Numerical Electromagnetic Code):
All files with .Z prefix compressed with UNIX compress
NEC2_Mac_.hqx.Z
NEC2 executable for the Macintosh (in compressed .hqx format)
from Barry Newberger (bsn@fusion.ph.utexas.edu)
NEC2_Mac_README.txt
Document file for Mac version of NEC2
nec2.sun4.dl.Z
SUN4 executable (dynamically linked) of NEC2
compiled for 1000 segments
from Weston Beal (weston@arrakis.ebay.sun.com)
nc2s1500.sun4.Z
SUN4 executable (statically linked) of NEC2
compiled for 1500 segments
from John Boyer (john.boyer@rd.eng.bbc.co.uk)
nec2.rs6000.Z
IBM RS/6000 executable of NEC2. Runs under AIX 3.2
from Doug Braun (dbraun@iil.intel.com)
nec2.rs6000_readme.txt
Document file for RS/6000 version of NEC2
mininec3.zip
BASIC source code and DOS executable for mininec3 from NOSC
nec2_src.tar.Z
Fortran source code for NEC2
nec_param_util.Z
Perl script to create NEC input files from parameterized
physical descriptions.
from Doug Braun (dbraun@iil.intel.com)
nec_post_processor.Z
Creates polar plots from NEC output.
MS Quick Basic source code.
from John Boyer (john.boyer@rd.eng.bbc.co.uk)
nec81.tar.Z
Fortran 77 source code for nec-81. (modified for 3000 segments)
(Previously listed as nec3, but renamed to alleviate confusion
with the real nec3.)
(from Petri Kotilainen OH3MCK)
nec81.readme.txt3
Readme file for nec-81.
necdraw.zip
DOS utility for verifying correctness of NEC models. Checks
adherance to rules and provides 3-D display of model.
(from ACES archive)
nec_hist.txt
Article from the ACES newsletter outlining the history
of the various versions of NEC.
eam_demo.zip EAM (electromagnetic antenna modeling) demo by
SAIC (Science Applications International Corp.)
Runs under Windows 3.1 (DOS).
EAM is a graphical user interface to NEC and BSC.
Demo version has limited capability but allows
visualization and inspection of small to medium
size input deck and output files.
(from Malcolm_Packer@cpqm.saic.com)
--------------------------------------------------------------------
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This response does not represent the official position of, or statement
by, Sun Microsystems Incorporated. The above data is provided for informational purposes only. It is supplied without warranty of any kind.
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/\
\\ \
\ \\ /
/ \/ / / Raymond E. Anderson WB6TPU
/ / \//\ Signal Integrity Engineer
\//\ / / Sun Microsystems
/ / /\ / 2550 Garcia Ave. MS MIL04-16
/ \\ \ Mountain View, CA 94043-1100
\ \\
\/ (408) 276-5224
(408) 956-0492 fax
raymond.anderson@Sun.Com
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Date: 11 Apr 1994 12:49:26 GMT
From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!news.kei.com!hookup!news2.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!indirect.com!patrick@network
To: ham-ant@ucsd.edu
References <gbrentCo1yHy.7nE@netcom.com>, <2o9dqm$8ne@herald.indirect.com>, <2o9qdg$865@crcnis1.unl.edu>fsd
Subject : Re: Coax Loss on HF
Gary McDuffie Sr (mcduffie@unlinfo.unl.edu) wrote:
: Well, ladder line is one good idea. However, if you want to run coax,
: do it. You will find it an advantage to have the antennas that far
: from the house. You won't get into the tv/vcr/phone/intercom/etc.
: nearly as much as you will with the antenna closer to the house. As
If your system is properly installed, distance from the house has nothing
to do with interference. Such things as poor connections on tower sections,
poor joints on wires, etc., which set up rectification and radiate all
over the spectrum, are going to effect your tv phone or other consumer
devices at 350 ft just as much as at 0 feet. Witness the electric fence
that destroys your communications from three or four miles away.
Ladder line, being a BALANCED feedline, has nearly zero radiation. Even the
best shielded coax has more.
Pat KN7B
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End of Ham-Ant Digest V94 #100
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